Questioner: There is a sentence of yours, “Avoid
clashes. If this statement is followed with devotion, then
it will take one all the way to liberation.” Please explain
the progression of avoiding clashes from the gross level to
the subtle, subtler level.
Dadashri: As one progresses, no one needs to teach him, he will know on his own; his intuition grows. These words themselves are such that they will take one all the way to liberation.
The other cardinal sentence, “The fault is of the sufferer,” will also take one to liberation. Each and every word will take one to liberation, that is my guarantee.
Questioner: You have given examples of gross clashes such as of the snake, of the pole, now can you give examples of clashes that take place at the subtle, subtler, and the subtlest level? What are subtle clashes like?
Dadashri: The clashes you have with your father are all subtle clashes.
Questioner: Do subtle clashes mean mental? Do verbal clashes also fall under the subtle level?
Dadashri: Those fall under the gross level. Those that the other person is not aware of, those that cannot be seen; all of that falls under the subtle.
Questioner: How can those subtle clashes be avoided?
Dadashri: First avoid the gross, then the subtle, then the subtler and finally the subtlest clashes.
Questioner: What can be considered as subtler clashes?
Dadashri: If you are hitting someone and that person Sees through the Knowledge of the Self that, ‘I am pure Soul. The hitting is happening as a result of scientific circumstantial evidence.’ If he Sees all that but in his mind he sees the slightest of fault, then that is a subtler clash.
Questioner: Please explain this again. I did not completely understand.
Dadashri: All these faults you see in others are subtler clashes.
Questioner: So to see faults in others are subtler clashes?
Dadashri: Not like that. You have made the decision that others are not at fault at all, and yet you see faults, those are subtler clashes. This is because he is a pure Soul and the faults are separate.
Questioner: Is that indeed the mental clash you mentioned?
Dadashri: Everything at the mental level falls under the subtle level.
Questioner: So what is the difference between these two?
Dadashri: This talk is beyond the mind.
Questioner: So where there are subtler clashes, the subtle clashes coexist, don’t they?
Dadashri: You should not look at that. Subtle is separate and the subtler is separate. Subtlest is at the ultimate level.
Questioner: One time in satsang (spiritual discourse) you had said that to become engrossed in ‘Chandubhai’ [reader should insert his or her name here] is considered the subtlest clash.
Dadashri: Yes, the subtlest clash! Avoid that. You inadvertently become engrossed with the body-mind complex, and later You [awakened Self] realize that you made a mistake.
Questioner: So is pratikraman the only remedy to avoid those clashes, or is there anything else?
Dadashri: There is no other tool at all. These Nine Kalams (nine statements in which one asks for energy from the pure Soul within for the highest spiritual intents), those too is pratikraman. There is no other tool in this world besides pratikraman, it is the ultimate tool. This is because this world has come about due to aggression towards other living beings (atikraman).
Questioner: That is so wonderful. All these sentences, “Whatever happens is justice,” “The fault is of the sufferer;” each and every sentence is extraordinary. And when we do pratikraman with Dada as our witness, the vibrations truly do reach [the other person].
Dadashri: Yes, that is true. The vibrations immediately reach [the other person] and they give result. We become convinced that it has had an effect on the other person.
Questioner: Dada, pratikraman occurs immediately, at that very moment! This is truly amazing, Dada! Dada’s grace is amazing !
Dadashri: Yes, it is amazing. It is a scientific thing.
Dadashri: As one progresses, no one needs to teach him, he will know on his own; his intuition grows. These words themselves are such that they will take one all the way to liberation.
The other cardinal sentence, “The fault is of the sufferer,” will also take one to liberation. Each and every word will take one to liberation, that is my guarantee.
Questioner: You have given examples of gross clashes such as of the snake, of the pole, now can you give examples of clashes that take place at the subtle, subtler, and the subtlest level? What are subtle clashes like?
Dadashri: The clashes you have with your father are all subtle clashes.
Questioner: Do subtle clashes mean mental? Do verbal clashes also fall under the subtle level?
Dadashri: Those fall under the gross level. Those that the other person is not aware of, those that cannot be seen; all of that falls under the subtle.
Questioner: How can those subtle clashes be avoided?
Dadashri: First avoid the gross, then the subtle, then the subtler and finally the subtlest clashes.
Questioner: What can be considered as subtler clashes?
Dadashri: If you are hitting someone and that person Sees through the Knowledge of the Self that, ‘I am pure Soul. The hitting is happening as a result of scientific circumstantial evidence.’ If he Sees all that but in his mind he sees the slightest of fault, then that is a subtler clash.
Questioner: Please explain this again. I did not completely understand.
Dadashri: All these faults you see in others are subtler clashes.
Questioner: So to see faults in others are subtler clashes?
Dadashri: Not like that. You have made the decision that others are not at fault at all, and yet you see faults, those are subtler clashes. This is because he is a pure Soul and the faults are separate.
Questioner: Is that indeed the mental clash you mentioned?
Dadashri: Everything at the mental level falls under the subtle level.
Questioner: So what is the difference between these two?
Dadashri: This talk is beyond the mind.
Questioner: So where there are subtler clashes, the subtle clashes coexist, don’t they?
Dadashri: You should not look at that. Subtle is separate and the subtler is separate. Subtlest is at the ultimate level.
Questioner: One time in satsang (spiritual discourse) you had said that to become engrossed in ‘Chandubhai’ [reader should insert his or her name here] is considered the subtlest clash.
Dadashri: Yes, the subtlest clash! Avoid that. You inadvertently become engrossed with the body-mind complex, and later You [awakened Self] realize that you made a mistake.
Questioner: So is pratikraman the only remedy to avoid those clashes, or is there anything else?
Dadashri: There is no other tool at all. These Nine Kalams (nine statements in which one asks for energy from the pure Soul within for the highest spiritual intents), those too is pratikraman. There is no other tool in this world besides pratikraman, it is the ultimate tool. This is because this world has come about due to aggression towards other living beings (atikraman).
Questioner: That is so wonderful. All these sentences, “Whatever happens is justice,” “The fault is of the sufferer;” each and every sentence is extraordinary. And when we do pratikraman with Dada as our witness, the vibrations truly do reach [the other person].
Dadashri: Yes, that is true. The vibrations immediately reach [the other person] and they give result. We become convinced that it has had an effect on the other person.
Questioner: Dada, pratikraman occurs immediately, at that very moment! This is truly amazing, Dada! Dada’s grace is amazing !
Dadashri: Yes, it is amazing. It is a scientific thing.
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